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  • The missing scene from Halloween 2

    The missing scene from Halloween 2

    We’re hunting down the lost footage from Halloween II.

    And we’re probably not going to find it but still try anyway..

    We’ve reached out to Trancas International Films and the Akkad family, and we’re thinking about who else we could possibly reach out to in an attempt to solve a little Halloween II mystery that’s been sitting around for more than four decades.

    And before we go any further, there’s an important distinction here.

    We’re not talking about the deleted Halloween II scenes that are already out there. We know those exist. We’re talking about footage that was apparently shot but, as far as we can determine, has never actually surfaced publicly.

    Over the last couple of years we’ve seen plenty of supposedly “lost” Halloween images floating around online that turned out to be AI generated. But there are legitimate production stills from Halloween II showing material that isn’t in the finished movie, and one particular missing sequence has fascinated us.

    The made for TV movie version may have excluded the boob-shot but it definitely had in other scenes that made more sense when considering… In theatrical cut we didn’t get why Laurie was seemingly drugged and the hospital was dark.. it was the made for TV scenes that explained she was drugged by the doc and the power was cut by Mike..

    These scenes, if included, would have made our favorite Halloween movie even better..

    The children’s ward scene is what we’d really love to see..

    In the deleted scene, Michael wandered through rooms of sleeping children before accidentally activating a cymbal-playing toy monkey. Nurse Karen heard the noise and investigated while Michael hid nearby, nearly being discovered before she walked away.

    The sequence was ultimately cut as the film was tightened in editing, along with several other scenes. The children’s-ward footage has never officially resurfaced

    But the photo from Warlock’s collection proves there was at least one more scene we never saw–presumably more than that..

    In the behind the scenes photo, Warlock as Mike making a kid laugh, is surprisingly wholesome..

    Director Rick Rosenthal has actually discussed it.

    On material associated with Halloween: 25 Years of Terror, Rosenthal described a deleted sequence involving Michael Myers hiding in a closet in the hospital nursery. A nurse comes into the room and nearly opens the closet where Michael is hiding. The suspense builds because you expect her to find him but ultimately she doesn’t open it.

    The scene was cut.

    As far as we can determine, the actual footage has never surfaced publicly.

    There’s also a sequence involving reporter Robert Mundy and a television news crew arriving at Haddonfield Memorial Hospital that was reportedly scripted and filmed. Production stills survive from that material, but again, the actual moving footage appears to have disappeared.

    So where is it?

    We all know the complicated history of Halloween II. John Carpenter didn’t particularly want to make another Halloween and has certainly never hidden his feelings about the sequel. The second movie also became considerably more violent and gory than the original .. although compared with today’s standards, it’s really not very gory at all.

    Then television came calling.

    When Halloween II was prepared for TV, some of the nudity and gore couldn’t exactly make the trip to network television, so material had to be removed and other footage was used to fill out the running time.

    That’s where things sometimes get confusing when people talk about “deleted scenes” from Halloween II, because some deleted footage absolutely does exist and has been released.

    There are additional hospital scenes, Michael cutting the power and, most memorably, the alternate ending.

    Laurie is being taken away in the ambulance when suddenly somebody under a sheet behind her starts moving.

    One last scare!

    Except it’s just good old Jimmy.

    So calling all Carpenters and Akkads.. we are searching and want the nursery scene.. and that television crew arriving a the hospital.. Maybe there is another Dana Carvey hidden gem somewhere in the pile of deletions..

    Is there a reel sitting on some film rack somewhere or an unmarked box in a studio archive that nobody has opened since Ronald Reagan was president?

    Is something sitting in a basement or storage facility belonging to the Akkad family?

    Did Donald Pleasence take the film to the grave?

    We’re not claiming that these reels still exist. We’re not claiming that somebody secretly has them. We’re just acknowledging something that makes this mystery worth pursuing: there is evidence and testimony that scenes were filmed that, more than 40 years later, apparently nobody in the general public has ever seen.

    And that’s fascinating.

    This goes in phases.. right now this is in an active phase again with fans talking about this deleted scene on social media..

    We’ve sent out some messages, including reaching out to Trancas International Films, and we’re thinking about who else might be worth contacting. If we get responses, we’ll let everyone know what we find — even if the eventual answer is simply, “Sorry, that footage is gone.” We anticipate no responses.. but if there was some miracle, maybe someone out there will get lucky.

    But we’d also love to hear from everyone out there in Internet Land.

    Has anyone else ever gone hunting for this footage?

    Did anyone contact people involved with Halloween II years ago and get an answer?

    Has anyone ever claimed to actually see the nursery footage?

    Was something shown at a convention decades ago? Did somebody have an old workprint? Is there an obscure interview, photograph, VHS tape or story from someone involved with the production that we’ve somehow missed?

    Maybe they’re resting in that strange final resting place of lost cinema.. existing only in production stills, scripts and the increasingly distant memories of the people who were actually there.

    Because now we’re left with a very Halloween version of an old philosophical question:

    If Michael Myers hid in the children’s ward at Haddonfield Memorial Hospital, but the scene was cut and nobody ever saw it… did Michael Myers actually hide there at all?

  • Unpopular(maybe) opinion: Halloween 2 was actually better than the first one

    Unpopular(maybe) opinion: Halloween 2 was actually better than the first one



    Halloween II picks up right where John Carpenter’s 1978 classic left off .. literally seconds after Michael Myers disappears into the darkness. The sequel takes us deeper into the same October 31st night, only now the screams echo through Haddonfield Memorial Hospital instead of quiet suburban streets.

    The movie doesn’t wastes little time with new setups or character introductions; it just drops you right back into that same world, that same panic, that same cold air that hung over the end of the first film. You feel the chaos in the cold night.. even Mrs. Elrod screams as she makes a sandwich and finds blood–to this day we don’t know if her husband wanted mayo or mustard.



    There a few interesting back stories to Halloween II almost .. one major point is that it almost didn’t happen the way we know it.

    Carpenter himself didn’t originally plan a direct sequel and he envisioned the Halloween name turning into an anthology of different scary stories. He was YEARS ahead of his time on that thought process.

    Moustapha Akkad sensed a hit… and it was time to capitalize ..

    After the studio pushed for more Michael Myers Carpenter grudgingly agreed to write it. He’s even said he wrote the script with a six-pack of beer by his side, just trying to make sense of what would happen next. That might explain the surreal, dream-like pacing the film has. The movie is admittedly a little sloppy, but hazier, and far more violent than the first.

    The mask was back. It was still the same Shatner face, but this time yellowed by chain smoking that Debra Hill subjected it to. Also the new inhabitant with a different face shape. Dick Warlock’s mug was rounder while Nick Castle was longer, hence the difference in appearance.

    The new film also had more blood–Carpenter did that on purpose to match what audiences were then wanting. Akkad wasn’t overly happy with that because the TV broadcasts had to be tamed down ..

    Jamie Lee Curtis’ Laurie Strode became the face of the “final girl” trope. But in the sequel, she spends much of the movie confined to a hospital bed, drugged and traumatized, yet still somehow finds the strength to fight back. Donald Pleasence returns as Dr. Loomis, more unhinged than ever, shouting his famous lines about evil and destiny as he hunts Michael through sterile hallways. It is the hospital scenes that give the most feeling of the film. The fluorescent lights, the empty corridors, beeping heart monitors, all building to that fiery ending.

    There were several points of Halloween 2 that feel like a docu-drama. You can feel the chaos and panic of the police in the movie–this is exactly how small town America police faced with a gory bloody scene of teenagers being killed would actually react. Now poor Ben Tramer got the brunt. Was it Loomis’ fault by the way? We never really get the chance to flesh that out..

    Recently, Nightmare Nostalgia wrote about how II was the scarier sequel.

    To us, not only scarier but quite frankly better. Halloween II seems to get better with each passing year despite Carpenter still unwilling to embrace the face that he and Hill either accidentally or unwittingly created a classic.

    Perhaps the only pet peeve is that this movie could have been renamed ALL SAINTS DAY since it mostly took place after Halloween, mostly on November 1 if you think about the continuity.

    It’s often overshadowed by the original, but Halloween II deserves more credit. It’s the movie that closed the story of Laurie and Michael (at least until later recreations), expanded the mythology, and gave us the twist that Laurie was his sister .. love it or hate it, it was a plot line that shaped the franchise for decades.

    When Halloween ENDS came out, fans watched.. and never watched again. But they loved the opening 7 minutes that herald back to the original night he came home. There is lure in a way to what Michael Myers did in the immediate aftermath to Loomis’ six shots.

    While ENDS gives us a perspective of a movie that Carpenter never made, we still love the one he did: Halloween II is better than Halloween 1.

  • Did you sign up for the big John Carpenter giveaway on Storm King?

    Did you sign up for the big John Carpenter giveaway on Storm King?

    A lot of her fans are pretty excited about the big John Carpenter giveaway! You can win some autographed materials including a record and poster from the Halloween films.

    But you also have to download an app and enter to win, the chances of downloading it today and winning are pretty slim since he would have to get into the app daily and do certain activity to earn points.

    The app is called Storm King, it’s most likely now on your phone too. Although it may be too late to win this John Carpenter autographed record, other prizes are sure to come with the next few months that could be equally cool.

    John Carpenter using the term “big giveaway“ is also cool. Halloween 3 is the most underrated film, as most people were waiting for the Michael Myers sequel instead of the standalone.

    This movie has been claimed by people in the modern era now much more than it was then.

  • People in Philadelphia who like John Carpenter have a once in a lifetime chance to see him

    People in Philadelphia who like John Carpenter have a once in a lifetime chance to see him

    MARK YOU CALENDAR AND GET YOUR TICKETS: 

    John Carpenter: Live Retrospective, 8 p.m. Saturday at the , Keswick Theatre, 291 N. Keswick Ave., Glenside. Tickets: $29.50-$65. Information: 215-572-7650, keswicktheatre.com.

    He is spending time this summer driving around, playing hits from his past films and new music from his two recently released albums: 

    Lost Themes and Lost Themes II

  • John Carpenter said only one Halloween was necessary. The HORROR REPORT absolutely agrees

    DEADLINE: John Carpenter Q&A: Why ‘Halloween’ Didn’t Need Sequels & What Scares The Master Of Horror »

    John Carpenter is a hard to get man.. I have myself attempted to interview him on several occasions.. I typically get a very friendly and kind response from someone with his public relations team.

    And why would he want to talk to a little old website anyway.. He’s the master of horror.. the man who, whether he tried it or not, changed culture in 1978 when he created a low budget slasher flick about a babysitter killer that someone intelligently named ‘Halloween.’

    And the genius—pure genius—of buying a William Shatner mask and painting it white..

    While Carpenter was too busy to talk to me, the fine wealthy folks at DEADLINE were able to snag a few words with him..

    Carpenter told DEADLINE what I have heard before in a number of places: That HALLOWEEN was a load of fun to create and the budget, so low, was a crapshoot for them.. they were just young people having a blast creating a horror movie. They did not set out to change horror, or create two generations of movies that would be forever modeled on Michael Myers. But they did just that..

    Carpenter also joked a bit about Shatner’s face being the face of the madman who stalks movies sequel after sequel:

    There were two options – one was a clown mask, which was a better mask, but the Captain Kirk mask was altered, spray painted, eye holes cut, with the hair. I don’t know if he knows the story. I met him recently at one of these conventions. I walked up and introduced myself. Without looking up he says, ‘Nice to meet you.’ The guy’s 80 years old, I’ll just leave him alone. You know, he was busy and probably worried about something else.

    But speaking of sequels—and this is the real point that I concur wholeheartedly with Carpenter on—Halloween did not need sequels.  On the subject of the constantly recycling of Carpenter’s idea:

    I didn’t think there was any more story, and I didn’t want to do it again. All of my ideas were for the first Halloween – there shouldn’t have been any more! I’m flattered by the fact that people want to remake them, but they remake everything these days, so it doesn’t make me that special. But Michael Myers was an absence of character. And yet all the sequels are trying to explain that. That’s silliness – it just misses the whole point of the first movie, to me. He’s part person, part supernatural force. The sequels rooted around in motivation. I thought that was a mistake. However, I couldn’t stop them from making sequels. So my agents said, ‘Why don’t you become an executive producer and you can share the revenue?’ But I had to write the second movie, and every night I sat there and wrote with a six pack of beer trying to get through this thing. And I didn’t do a very good job, but that was it. I couldn’t do any more.

    This is something I have also long thought..

    While it was before my time and I only discovered the Halloween films years after adults were squirming in theaters seeing them, I always felt that Halloween 2 felt rushed. Sort of off key, and even more, just a way to bookend a story and end it. Of course we know it did not end at all, but instead kept on chugging into oblivion—and to a point where it does not even matter anymore when a new Halloween is coming out. By the way, if you didn’t hear, a new Halloween is coming out next year.

    Carpenter’s Halloween 3, though despised by so many horror fans, is one of my favorites.. It’s creative and fun, a but bizarre, but it has the freakiest song in horror: That mind-numbing ditty about rushing home for the ‘big giveaway’ at 9..

    Halloween’s original ending, with Michael Myers vanishing after a murderous night in Haddenfield, was the perfect ending.. it could have been left there—the ever foreboding boogeyman who stalks the night on Halloween, lurks in shadows, and hides where your fears are deepest.. Halloween should have ended at one film..

    Instead we had non stop rubbish propelled at us from Akkads, Zombies, and  Busta Rhymes.. So sad..